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Supplies in a biiiiiig damning desert

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In World War 3, Turkey inherits the troubles of Iraq. Finally, Saudis went mad and attacked my Ally, Israel and me in a frenzy. Seconds later, Iran is allied with Saudis and started to push forward east of Baghdad. First wave because successful, but I pushed them back as my armed forces have supreme training and double the recommended payment, plus the new Merkava 4's do wonders when not moving.

Yes, when not moving.

Units return to resupplying far too many times. Even when I see their supply meters pretty ok. My Infrastructure level is 102% and I have a supply depot nearby which doesn't seem to affect the supply meter when I wanted to build a new airstrip on Iranian border after I built it.

Where do supplies direct start flowing from? Cities or military goods factories? How can I create a supply source nearest to Iran? I have half a trillion dollar from oil sales, and from what I can see in diplomacy and Hard difficulty setting and AI set to aggressive, Asia is going to be hot,hot,and hot!

Not to mention do merkavas run out of fuel damn quick? A few firing exchanges, and they scurry to Baghdad base again!

(We pwned the saudis with Israel together)
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Well, i often completely take out an enemies airforce right at the start, this allows me to assign supply aircraft to escort my unit stacks that need them.

Of course i also wipe out most of the enemy ground forcesbefore mine even start to advance, so that anti-air isnt a threat to my supply aircraft either.

The good things about using supply aircraft this way, are that they move damn fast,will return to base and reload when needed and than return to the ground unit they are ordered to escort also right away automatically.

The bad things are:
IF you have enemy air units in the area, those supply aircraft are gonna hate you for their very short lives :P
AND
IF you have enemy anti air in the area, the same :P
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Units with short range/combat time like Tanks, I always have a supply unit with each stack. I also keep a stack or two of supply units close behind them. I also keep a stack of supply Helos in the area. All this on top of having a stack of supply planes fairly near. Just as in real life, the best armed forces have as many or more supply vehicles as combat vehicles. All those Merkava's are cool...until they run out of gas and get blasted.

Also, captured bases and cities take a few days at least before they start really functioning as a supply source. Your infrastructure may be funded properly, but it will take months of ownership before your work crews can fix all the roads and such in new territory.

-Light

(oh, and if anyone is thinking about blowing up my supply vehicles with air strikes in multiplayer...they are usually parked right next to the multiple stacks of AA. :P)
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So, it is good to keep a few, squads of Trucks along with tanks? But then my trucks get shot first! DO supply trucks have a radius of supply?
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A. yes, keep some trucks with the tanks. Even if they get shot first, who cares? They are cheap and quickly replaceable, and they still kept the gas tanks filled until they blew up. :P Besides, while the enemy shoots the trucks, the tanks they are not shooting...will be getting free shots in on them. This is why I keep a stack about 3-4-5 hexes behind the lines, to replace trucks that get shot up in battle. (or courageously charge into the middle of battle to re-supply desperate tanks and APCs)

B. Yes, one hex surrounding the truck units is in range for re-supply. same for Helos and planes too.

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Lightbringer wrote:A. yes, keep some trucks with the tanks. Even if they get shot first, who cares?
-Light
Dude, the Turkish Armed Forces Generals would do a coup d'etat on me if I did this :D Our doctrine is same as USA, we care about our personnel:D

Hmm, is the supply that yellow-to-red down pointing triangle? Because when I flew TRP class planes over it it suddenly went from red to yellow. Did they drop supplies on him?

If so, I can't wait to run Iran's ass over. They bombed half of their population when I entrenched unit in it!

Also, I get tired of infantry entrenching in every bridge and research lab.

Goddamnit they piled AA-s AND a shitload of Fighters. Got to drop supplies behind the lines. When the Supply depot's online, then I'll blast their precious Tehran.
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The Khan wrote:
...Dude, the Turkish Armed Forces Generals would do a coup d'etat on me if I did this :D Our doctrine is same as USA, we care about our personnel:D
Khan,

You will just have to forgive Light. By nature and practice he oftem plays as the Russians. He is used to running conscripts across minefields to clear them for his tanks. :lol:

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Feltan wrote:Khan,

You will just have to forgive Light. By nature and practice he oftem plays as the Russians. He is used to running conscripts across minefields to clear them for his tanks. :lol:

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LOLWUT. That's the Iranians. They did it in Iraqi war, youths with white headbands chanting "Shaheed! Shaheed!"(martyr) and running on minefields for 72 virgins.

Religion does a fine job on overriding survival instinct.
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Perhaps the most commented-on characteristic of the war was the use of human wave attacks and suicide brigades by Iran, including the use of thousands of teenage Basij volunteers who sacrificed their lives to clear the marshes of mines. Wearing white headbands and shouting 'Shaheed, shaheed!' ('Martyr, martyr!') as they were blown up, these youths ran over fields of landmines to clear the way for Iranian ground assault.[30] Their devotion earned the reverence of pious Iranian revolutionaries but ultimately did not overcome Iraqi defenses. To this day, the use of estesh-hadiyun (martyrdom-seekers) remains part of Iranian military doctrine.[31]
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Feltan,

They must be shorting your Alzheimer's meds. :P I don't play Russia, I use Russian transport helicopters. You must be thinking of the numerous volunteers of my generous and completely open guest worker program. They get to stay with free medical, food and housing in one of my "guest worker" camps. 100% guaranteed employment doing jobs no other Texan will do. No immigrant turned away or deported. When they decide they wish to return to their homeland, we give them a free ride to wherever the border is at at that time. The demolitions removal training is an incidental free parting gift as they re-cross the border. :P

In all seriousness, the supply truck units do not get completely wiped out as often as you would think. They are quite ready and willing to run like the wind as soon as they come under fire, usually right where I want them, one hex back. Besides, are they not getting the same pay as other members of my armed forces? Then they can face the same risks as the other members of my armed forces. As soon as the game lets me pay them less then I will be glad to be more careful with them. My kill ratios are not perfect like Tkobo's, but I average well over 10/1. So it is not like I constantly throw units into a meat grinder.

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Good heavens ... my mush must be laced with the wrong meds. I'll talk to the nurse about it. :lol:

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Post by The Khan »

I'll post some of my tactics to the overly melodramatic AAR I wrote. Russia,Iran,Pakistan and Islamic States are attacking me all over!
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Post by SoB »

i found having some helos on stand by is also good you can the rescuce traped tanks (i say somith on HIND scale is a good choic it cover the tanks withdrall resuply it and if needed deploy specops)

also have a few transport plans at a airbase


anoth option is to cange your doctrin when i play has SA i never have this proplem rooikat 120mm has a 1000km range add in my G6.52 and S20 satys i need only a few helo and plans


PS you have a realy good AAR
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I'll keep writing later on. I conquered Pakistan, Islamic States and am damn near capturing Moscow, as I cut off the Trans-Siberian Territories from Black Sea area and surrounded Moscow.

Europeans should **** their pants at this...
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The Khan wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:A. yes, keep some trucks with the tanks. Even if they get shot first, who cares?
-Light
Hmm, is the supply that yellow-to-red down pointing triangle? Because when I flew TRP class planes over it it suddenly went from red to yellow. Did they drop supplies on him?.
So If I want to supply my forward land units with aircraft, do I click on the aircraft I want supplying my units and click escort? Or can I just click on a cargo plane and direct it to where my troops are for resupply?

Are there only certain kinds of cargo aircraft that can supply troops in forward positions (I can see helicopters in this role), or do they do airdrops, or need an occupied airport to land at and supply from there?
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all suply plains and helos respluy ground forces
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